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'''Q: After adding citric acid, goo/oil precipitated instead of crystals, what gives?'''
  
This is the most common issue people encounter. The cause is likely too much water in the extract. This can be avoided with good TEK execution:
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This is the most common issue people encounter. Goo has been measured to be roughly equal parts water, citric acid, and mescaline citrate <ref>Goo measurements[https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1218686#post1218686]</ref>. The cause is likely too much water in the extract or, more generally, an issue with the citric/water/mescaline ratio. This can be avoided with good starting materials and good execution:
  
 
*Good consistency paste (not too wet)
 
*Good consistency paste (not too wet)
*No squeezing the French press
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*No ezxcessive squeezing the French press
*Rest extract in the fridge for the full 24h
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*Rest extract in a cold fridge (at least 15C below room temperature) for the full 24h
 
*Careful decant of extract leaving all water droplets behind. A small amount of "sacrificial" solvent can be left behind to help keep the water away, this will not impact yield significantly. These dregs with a small amount of mescaline can be used in the next extraction if desired.
 
*Careful decant of extract leaving all water droplets behind. A small amount of "sacrificial" solvent can be left behind to help keep the water away, this will not impact yield significantly. These dregs with a small amount of mescaline can be used in the next extraction if desired.
  
It is worth repeating that, '''before adding citric acid, rest the extract at a temperature colder than the planned crystallization temperature and ensure any water droplets stay behind when decanting'''. Water solubility in ethyl acetate decreases with temperature. If the crystallization temperature is lower than the rest/decanting temperature water may crash from solution causing goo.
 
  
After decanting and before salting it is important to check for a water layer and ensure it is not present. Tilting the extract and shining a flashlight are needed for a good check. Take your time, especially the first time you try the TEK. Optionally, before salting, adding ~100g of fresh ethyl acetate will increase the water saturation buffer by another ~0.2%.
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Before salting it is important to ensure water and debris are present. Tilting the extract and shining a flashlight are needed for a good check. Take your time, especially the first time you try the TEK. Optionally, before salting, adding ~100g of fresh ethyl acetate will increase the water saturation buffer by another ~0.2%.
  
 
Shroombee suggests to add fresh ethyl acetate (usually relatively dry from the manufacturer) to the extract <ref>Fresh ethyl acetate to lower water content[https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1181802#post1181802]</ref>. This lowers the water % in the extract and can increase robustness if any water is missed.  
 
Shroombee suggests to add fresh ethyl acetate (usually relatively dry from the manufacturer) to the extract <ref>Fresh ethyl acetate to lower water content[https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1181802#post1181802]</ref>. This lowers the water % in the extract and can increase robustness if any water is missed.  

Revision as of 14:53, 1 October 2023

Introduction 🙏

CIELO stands for Crystals In Ethyl-acetate Lazily Over-the-counter. In this process, mescaline from cactus is precipitated in ethyl acetate as crystals (see Fig. 1). This technique (TEK) is specialized for cactus, simple, and avoids harsh chemicals. The process needs to be followed closely to ensure good results.


Please grow your own cacti [1], [2]. Echinopsis cacti containing mescaline are being over-harvested in the wild in a non sustainable way [3]. You can ask in the Nexus forum how to obtain live seeds. With patience and love, we can all extract the essence of the plant sustainably 🌵💚


This process was developed in a collaborative open source effort at the DMT nexus website[4]. No parts of this procedure may be patented or used for profit. The information presented here and any modifications to it may be distributed freely with a reference to this source and with love.


Thanks to everyone who contributed to this process: someblackguy, benzyme, shroombee, Metta-Morpheus, downwardsfromzero, Kash, grollum, Mindlusion, Doubledog, Dreamer042, merkin, _Trip_, Cheelin, Highlightprotein, Loveall, orchidist, BlackRose, endlessness, Madhattress, and others.


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Fig. 1: Monomescaline citrate crystals in ethyl acetate. Nubes del cielo transformadas en estrellas. Credit: Loveall.

Safety ⛑️

Review ethyl acetate[5] and citric acid[6] safety information. Verify solvent MSDS, plastic compatibility, and clean evaporation.


This TEK is food safe if food grade materials are used. Use food grade citric acid since some of it will be in the final product as mescaline citrate.


Following this advice does not guarantee safety. It is up to each adult individual to make their own personal decisions.

Materials🛒

Consumables👩‍🌾

  • 250g water + another 50g water as reserve
  • 25g Ca(OH)2 (lime)
  • 100g dry cactus
  • 1L to 2L (1qt to 2qt) ethyl acetate (sometimes sold as "MEK substitute")††
  • 5g of food grade citric acid (~1 tsp)
  • Washing soda (Na2CO3) and salt (NaCl) for solvent water wash and reuse


Ingredients can be scaled down to 5g of cactus powder to perform a TEK test run. This is encouraged for beginners to get a feel for the process before committing more material[7].

†† while 1L (1qt) of ethyl acetate is usually enough to extract most of the mescaline, depending on pull technique using two quarts of ethyl acetate may yield a little more mescaline (up to ~+10%). See extraction section for more details.

Equipment🏺

  • Knife, paper bag, dehydrator, food processor, and coffee grinder (to harvest plant, store cutting, and make cactus powder)
  • Large bowl and spoon (to mix alkaline cactus paste)
  • French press (optional, recommended for extraction - all metal model 34 oz. or larger preferred)
  • Kitchen scale (to measure ingredients)
  • Coffee filters, support basket, and funnel (to first filter extract and to later catch mescaline crystals)
  • Quart mason glass jars with lids (to first collect/settle extract and to later salt extract and crystalize mescaline)
  • Flashlight (to help inspect for water in the extract and decant)
  • Milligram scale (to measure product)
  • Pipette, separatory funnel, or freezer (for solvent reuse water separation)


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Fig. 2: Some of the over the counter materials. While a glass/plastic french press is show, an all metal model is prefferred. Credit: Loveall.

Process Overview 👀

In short:🌵➠🟢➠🧑🏾‍🔬➠✨➠💖➠💚, where,

  • 🌵: Grow, harvest, store, dry, and grind cactus to a fine powder
  • 🟢: Mix cactus powder to a wet alkaline paste
  • 🧑🏾‍🔬: Pull paste with ethyl acetate, rest in fridge, and decant
  • ✨: Precipitate mescaline from ethyl acetate with citric acid
  • 💖: Collect and wash monomescaline citrate crystals
  • 💚: Store ethyl acetate for reuse

Detailed Process 📜

Powder 🌵

Grow [1], [2] and harvest cactus. Store cuttings in a dark place for at least 3 months (e.g. in a paper bag or wrapped in newspaper). Data shows dark storage increases mescaline content[8], and that the top part of the plant contains more mescaline[9]. Chop whole cacti (into for example ~1/4 inch thick slices) and dry them with (for example) a food dehydrator at low temp (~115 F). All parts of the cactus can be used. Outer green skin yields more than the inner white core for the same dry mass[10], but mescaline is present in both parts of the plant. Outer waxy layers and spines do not yield product, they can optionally be removed but that is not necessary because they are not detrimental to the extraction. Grind dry cactus slices to a fine powder. This can be done in two steps, first through a food processor (coarse grind) and then through a coffee grinder (fine grind). See Fig. 2a for representative images going from seed to powder.


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Fig. 2a: Cactus life stages. Seed (top), seedling (second from top), mature specimen (middle), harvested, stressed, cut, and dried chunks (second from bottom), and powdered (bottom). After this life cicle the plant is ready for CIELO. Credits (top to bottom): Loveall, Loveall, Madhattress, Endlessness, Loveall.


It is very important to make a uniform cactus powder that is dry and finely ground. The fine grind enables good yields. Clouds of fine dust fly into the air when handling a good powder, reminiscent of flour (but green). Store properly sealed to avoid moisture absorption over time. Old cactus powder may change to a tan color, and still works well in this process, however extract may be tan and that color may make it to the product. No differences in subjective effects have been noticed for different off-white product colors (green/yellow/tan).

Paste 🟢

Make milky water in a large mixing bowl by mixing lime with ~250ml of water. Mix so there are no lumps of lime. Gradually add the cactus powder, stirring thoroughly to ensure the cactus is well incorporated. Toward the end, the back of a large spoon pushing down on the paste can be helpful to mix everything well. Goal is to get a smooth stiff mashed potatoes consistency (Fig. 3). If needed add small amounts of the reserved water while checking paste consistency. The total amount of water needed varies for different cacti and skin/core ratios, but it is not recommended to exceed 300ml of water in total. Simply using the initial 250ml of water is common. If the paste becomes too wet, adding lime slowly will stiffen it up again.


If the paste is too dry and clumpy, free base conversion and/or ethyl acetate penetration diminishes lowering yields[11]. If there is too much water the paste will emulsify with ethyl acetate lowering yields and wasting solvent[12] (see FAQ). However, the water process window for a good paste is large, estimated at ±30ml[13], and with attention to detail a good paste can be made. Achieving the right paste consistency is more important than the exact ammount of water added. The ideal paste becomes less resistant to mixing. However, drier consistency and more compact paste (~play doh) has been reported to give good yields[14]. Give paste homogeneous texture by stirring vigorously for at least 5 minutes. In case of doubt, mix more.


This paste has similar ratios to those originally used in 69ron's limonene TEK [15]. However, with ethyl acetate it is very important to mix the paste well and obtain the proper texture. Some elbow grease is required, so mix with intent.


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Fig. 3: Cactus lime paste. Appearance can vary. It is very important to start with dry fine cactus powder and mix the paste vigorously to a uniform consistency. Credit: Endlessness.

Extract 🧑🏾‍🔬

Transfer the paste to a french press. Cover paste with ethyl acetate (~200g) and stir for one minute. A good paste becomes sandy during extraction and is very easy to handle (see Fig. 4). After stirring, rest for two minutes and pour extract into a quart jar. Do not squeeze paste with the french press to accelerate the pour because that can release unwanted water into the extract. Instead, simply lower the french press so it lightly touches the paste. The main pour is complete after a mimute or two, once the trickle turns into drops.


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Fig 4. Ethyl acetate pull in metal french press ready to be covered and easily poured out. Credit: Loveall.


If the paste absorbs all or most of the ethyl acetate during the first pull, that's fine. Just add more ethyl acetate, stir, rest, and pour as explained above. Do NOT add water or aggressively manipulate the paste in an attempt to force out the ethyl acetate. Some solvent absorption during the first pull is common. If an emulsion forms see the FAQ below.


Repeat the extraction with ~125g of ethyl acetate until the extraction jar is full (5-6 total pulls). It is normal for paste to become more sticky as the pulls progress. A small yield boost can be done by optionally doing more pulls into a second jar. This second jar is also a good check on the effectiveness of the pulls in the main jar the first time this TEK is performed. Poor execution (sloppy technique, cactus powder not ground fine enough, etc) will give a larger yield boost in the second jar. A <10% boost in the second jar is considered good[16].


All of the extraction pulls should be completed within 45 minutes. After 45 minutes the paste can begin to congeal, making solvent penetration and recovery more difficult. There is plenty of time to lazily perform the pulls by remaining focused on the task. However, extracting in a warm environment may shorten this time. Six hours after the last standard pull the congealed paste will have released a few ml of solvent which can be optionally added to the extraction for a possibly tiny yield boost.


Rest sealed extract for 24 hours in a refrigerator. Water solubility in ethyl acetate decreases with temperature (see Fig. 4a), so this cold resting period is effective at removing some water (see Fig. 4b) and settling debris. Extract may cloud during fridge rest. If a thick layer of water forms see the FAQ section.


Decant rested extract through a coffee filter with the help of a bright light. Leave any water and debris behind (it is OK to leave a few ml of extract as precise decanting is not possible - the small amounts of liquid can be used in the next extraction if desired). Watch for a bottom layer of water and make sure it stays behind if present. It may be helpful to tilt the jar and identify any water pooling into a larger droplet. After decanting, check the decanted extract for any water that may have sneaked through by mistake. This can be done by tilting the jar and shining a bright flashlight at the bottom of the jar in different directions looking for droplets or a water layer. Spend a few minutes making sure there is no water in the decanted extract. Take your time with plenty of tilting and shining a flashlight at different angles. It is very important to verify decanting was successful, this is the main step where newcomers can make a mistake so be sure before proceeding.


Bring the covered extract back to room temperature by leaving it out of the fridge. Once again, inspect extract to ensure it is ready for the next step with the help of a bright flashlight. The extract needs to be clear, particle free, and without water droplets or a water layer for the crystallization process to happen reliably (see Fig. 4c).


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Fig. 4a: Water solubility in ethyl acetate decrease with temperature (right column)[17]. Only a few ml of water should fall out of solution during the fridge step (see Fig. 4b) as solubility drops by ~0.5% from 2.9% to ~2.4%. This will ensure water is not saturated in the solution during the subsequent room temperature crystallization. If a larger volume of water separates the process will still work, but refer to the FAQ.


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Fig. 4b: Ethyl acetate extract after fridge resting step. Appearance may vary. A few ml of water droplets are visible in this example, they must be decanted off before the salting step. Credit: Anonymous.


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Fig. 4c: Ethyl acetate extract after fridge rest, decanting, and warming back to room temperature. Color may vary (darker green is normal), but extract must be clear and free of debris. It is now ready to be salted with excess citric acid. Credit: Loveall


The spent extract can be dumped in a compost pile outdoors. The ethyl acetate will evaporate and the lime amend the soil. Alternatively, allow the paste to dry in a ventilated area and dispose of it in the trash.

Crystallize ✨

Drop ~5 grams (~1 teaspoon) of citric acid into extract. Do not under salt with citric acid since it is necessary to have excess citric acid to form crystalline momomescaline citrate (gooey trimescaline citrate can form in alkaline conditions). Allow the citric acid to dissolve by diffusion without stirring. Extract will cloud as the dissolved citric acid reacts with mescaline free base to form insoluble mono-mescaline citrate. Cloudiness may be hard to see in darker extracts (a backlight may help). If the citric acid is anhydrous and/or coarse it may take a while to dissolve, however it WILL dissolve fully. Leave cloudy extract undisturbed and sealed with a lid. Crystals of monomescaline citrate should begin to appear after a few hours, and take a few days to completely crash out (at least 3 days of wait is recommended).


Crystals can have different shapes and crystallization dynamics. In general, more agitation/stirring/lifting jar to check makes smaller/powdery crystals while dissolving by diffusion and rest produces larger needles. See appendix for other crystallization options.


If no crystals form and goo appears, see FAQ below. If goo still results after taking the FAQ suggestions into account, please report this on the DMT nexus.


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Fig. 5: Monomescaline citrate crystals growing in ethyl acetate. When light is shining in front of the extract it can appear a dark red. Overall appearance may vary (see Fig. 1 for an example with back light). Credit: Loveall.

Collect 💖

Swirl ethyl acetate to knock crystals loose. Crystals that cling to the wall can sometimes be dislodged by shaking or with a knife/spoon. Send solvent through a double coffee filter to catch loose crystals. Rinse any crystals remaining on jar walls with fresh ethyl acetate and send wash through filter to wash the crystals there and collect any loose crystals remaining in the jar (repeat ~2-3x until off color is mostly removed).


After the solvent washes are dry collect crystals in the filter by sliding them off. Rubbing the inside of the filter against itself with the palms of the hands can help loosen the last bit of crystals. This is the final product (Fig. 6).


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Fig. 6: Final mescaline citrate crystals. Appearance can vary and crystals may be smaller to the point of looking like a powder. Top without magnification, middle at 50x magnification, and bottom at 100x magnification. Credit: Loveall.


Yield depends on the cactus and is usually between 0.3% to 3% with ~1.2% being common[18]. However, yields up to 8.2%[19] (5.0% mescaline HCl equivalent) have been reported.


The product is monomescaline citrate salt of 93.1% purity based on NMR results from endlessness (see fig 6a), which is ~57% as strong as Mescaline HCl. Approximate oral dosage recommendations for the product: [20]

  • Threshold: 100 - 200 mg
  • Light: 200 - 350 mg
  • Common: 350 - 700 mg
  • Strong: 700 - 1400 mg
  • Heavy: 1400 mg+


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Fig. 6a: NMR results. Only mescaline was detected. Monomescaline salt form was confirmed. Preliminary early calculation indicates 93.1% purity with the remaining 6.9% being water, consistent with the salt form (MesH)H2Cit·1.5H2O (see appendix for notation description). This is a tentative result that needs verification. Credit: endlessness.


Attempting to smoke the product is not recommended as potentially unwanted compounds can form [21], [22].


Mass spectrometry (MS) results from Solaris analytical[23] indicate the product is very clean mescaline (Fig. 7a) in one example where pachanoi was used. It is unknown if cacti with different starting starting alkaloid profiles would give the same result, and more data is needed to make that claim.


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Fig. 7a: Mass spectrometry result. Peak near 210.5 is mescaline. Lower mass peaks line up with the spectrum of mescaline cleaved functional groups. The peak at 239.5 is not attributed to mescaline. Credit: Benzyme.


Testing the product with marquis reagent gives a bright orange color as expected[24] (see Fig. 7b). Several reagent results for the product from this TEK have been published by _Trip_[25].


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Fig. 7b: Marquis reagent result. Credit: Merkin.


Tip: The coffee filter used to collect the crystals can be re-used upside-down before salting. Any small crystals not collected may be forced into the extract and subsequently act as seed crystals for the next extraction[26].

Reuse 💚

Reusing solvents is encouraged[27] at the DMT nexus.


Before washing solvent, check for new crystal grown and collect any new product if present. Sometimes a small amount of product precipitates after the main 3 day collection.


Do not store salted solvent in metal cans. The excess citric acid can make them rust. It is ok to store neutralized/washed solvent back in the original metal can.


Wash a quart of solvent with ~200ml of 10% sodium carbonate water. Shake vigorously regularly releasing CO2 gas as the excess citric acid reacts with the carbonate. Neutralization can be verified with pH paper and/or the absence of pressure buildup. It is important to remove all the citric acid and it can take 5 minutes or more of shaking to fully neutralize the extract. Remove the water layer with a pippete or separator funnel.


The extract will be cloudy and opaque to a backlight after neutralization (the reason for this is unknown). There are two options to make the reused solvent clear and ready for a new extraction:

1) Wash with 200ml of brine until clear and remove the water layer with a pippete or separatory funnel.

2) Freeze the solvent and remove the ice with a filter. If not clear at room temperature, settle in fridge until clear.


Product from solvent reused multiple times can form flakes along with the usual needles. It can also form smaller crystals, and the product can look like a powder. Contamination of the product with sodium or calcium citrate is possible if washes are not thorough. No difference in effects has been noted between crystal forms; needles, flakes, and powder. However, these are subjective effect observations and not analytically verified at this time.


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Fig. 8: Solvent that has been reused multiple times can produce a flake shaped crystals (note flake cluster towards the top right of the image). It can also form powder (very small crystals). Subjectively, the flakes and powder show no difference to the usual needles formed in solvent with fewer uses. Results can be variable and depend on how well the solvent is washed/settled/decanted. To first order, the process is robust and product is reliable even after multiple re-uses. Credit: Loveall.

Frequently Asked Questions ❓

Q: Does increasing the basing time increase the yield?

A: No. Shroombee has tested 15 minute, 24 hour, and 72 hour basing times and there was no difference in yield. Other process variables were 8 minutes incorporating milky water with cactus, 6x3 minute pulls, and 15 mg/gram citric acid added with the fast crystallization method. Loveall has confirmed in his experiments that 10 minute and 24 hour basing times produce the same yield. So we assume that any basing time from 10 minutes through 72 hours will produce the same yield. See a detailed explanation in this post.[28]


Q: I got an emulsion while pulling, what do I do?

A:If the paste and solvent form an emulsion, the paste was too watery. Add lime and dry magnesium sulfate until the paste becomes chunky again and solvent is released. Keep the lime to magnesium sulfate ratio above 1 to ensure paste remains alkaline[29]. Next time, use less water to make the paste.


Q: I have a thick bottom layer in my pulling jar after the fridge rest. What is it and what do I do?

A: It is a water layer. This can happen if you squeeze the French press aggressively and/or the initial paste is too wet. Without these issues only a few ml of water crash because of the lower solubility of water in cold ethyl acetate. Luckily, the TEK is robust to this issue. Simply separate the layers using a pipette or separators funnel and continue the TEK with the top ethyl acetate layer. The water layer should be pulled with ethyl acetate since some mescaline was likely partitioned into the large volume of water (for the standard small volume of water an extra pull is not needed). The TEK can be continued with these pulls at the fridge rest step.


Q: I heard of people using more citric acid and shaking. What’s the difference between the two crystallization methods?

A: In general, adding more citric acid and aggressively stirring or shaking will:

  • Force crystals to form faster
  • Form smaller and denser crystals (can be powdery in appearance) less likely to stick to the jar walls
  • Cause a negligible amount of tiny crystals to drop through the coffee filter.


Q: What is the upper limit of citric acid that can be added to the extract?

A: The solubility of citric acid monohydrate in ethyl acetate is over 50 mg per gram of ethyl acetate[30]. Note that plant matter or other unwanted extraction products (such as water) may affect the solubility. Stay well under 50 mg/gram limit and do not chemically dry the extract to ensure no undissolved citric acid is mixed in with the mescaline citrate. Under mostly anhydrous conditions the solubility of anhydrous citric acid in ethyl acetate has been measured as low as 10mg/g [31].


Q: After adding citric acid, I saw clouds followed by precipitation, but the precipitate reminds me of citric acid. How do I know a mescaline salt is precipitating and not citric acid?

A: Citric acid does not precipitate and stays in solution because it is well bellow its solubility limit (50mg/g) in the TEK. The white particles that form from the clouds after citric acid has dissolved are mescaline salts and not citric acid.


Q: After adding citric acid, nothing precipitated, what gives?

A: Check the jar walls, a transparent product may have precipitated there (e.g. this has been reported for whole bridgesii[32]). If product bid not present on walls as a transparent film, bring up the citric acid concentration up to 20mg/g or more (stay below 40mg/g due to solubility concerns) and wait a few days. Keep in mind that if your cactus is not active, no mescaline citrate will form. If all else fails, pulling the salted extract with water, evaporating, and washing citric acid with fresh ethyl acetate should leave behind a residue containing any mescaline in the cactus (dose will be less accurate and can be made proportional to starting cactus amount). The crystallization temperature should not be colder than the previous extraction settling temperature. Water layer formation is sensitive to temperature, and lower temperatures can produce a new water layer.


Q: After adding citric acid, goo/oil precipitated instead of crystals, what gives?

This is the most common issue people encounter. Goo has been measured to be roughly equal parts water, citric acid, and mescaline citrate [33]. The cause is likely too much water in the extract or, more generally, an issue with the citric/water/mescaline ratio. This can be avoided with good starting materials and good execution:

  • Good consistency paste (not too wet)
  • No ezxcessive squeezing the French press
  • Rest extract in a cold fridge (at least 15C below room temperature) for the full 24h
  • Careful decant of extract leaving all water droplets behind. A small amount of "sacrificial" solvent can be left behind to help keep the water away, this will not impact yield significantly. These dregs with a small amount of mescaline can be used in the next extraction if desired.


Before salting it is important to ensure water and debris are present. Tilting the extract and shining a flashlight are needed for a good check. Take your time, especially the first time you try the TEK. Optionally, before salting, adding ~100g of fresh ethyl acetate will increase the water saturation buffer by another ~0.2%.

Shroombee suggests to add fresh ethyl acetate (usually relatively dry from the manufacturer) to the extract [34]. This lowers the water % in the extract and can increase robustness if any water is missed.

Some people recommend a freezer rest followed by filtering off the ice crystals that form. This is very effective at removing water without decanting skills. However, about 2% water needs to be added back before salting for good crystallization dynamics. This is a sledgehammer for water removal, and may be useful for those who don't trust their decanting skills or have fridge/ambient temperature issues (e.g. fridge is set to warm and/or crystallization environment is set too cold).

A secondary reason is not enough excess citric acid to make the crystallization dynamics favorable for crystals to form. Ideally the salting jar has excess citric acid dissolved OK it and is acidic when tested with pH paper. If that is not the case, try adding additional citric acid, it may change the goo into crystals.

Finally, goo can occur if the starting material has poor mescaline content. Unstressed PC may yield only a small amount of goo sometimes (but sometimes PC can yield >0.5%, especially if stressed). Using plants known to have good activity is recommended.

If continue to encounter goo even after taking all this information into account, please report it on the forum.


Q: I recovered the goo/oil precipitate instead of crystals, what do I do?

A: In one example from Cheelin the goo was 65% mescaline citrate[35]. There are four main options. (1) Do an A/B extraction on the goo, (2) If a TEK execution is suspect, add the goo to cactus paste and do the TEK properly, increasing citric acid by the amount of expected mescaline present in the goo, (3) decant off the solvent and cover the goo in fresh EA, it has been observed that crystals can grow out of the goo after a few days sitting in fresh solvent and stirring can help the process move along[36] if crystal formation stops and there is still goo left, discard the solvent and add more (4) dissolve goo in a minimal amount of hot water (5-10ml) and add 500ml of fresh EA to that: EA should cloud and crystals will form.


Q: How quickly can the extraction process be done?

A: With experience, and by skipping the fridge rest step (crystallization temperature should be warmer than extraction temperature) it is possible to go from raw cactus powder to dry crystals in under an hour by choosing the fast crystallization method shaking the salted extract vigorously. Current documented world record is 48 minutes to go from cactus powder to dry mescaline crystals ready to use.[37]. However, there is an increased risk of obtain goo without the fridge rest step. The express process is not recommended for newcomers.


Q: The cactus paste turned to goo in ethyl acetate very quickly and I couldn't finish the timed pulls with a sandy consistency. How can I give myself more time?

A: Try using less water next time and keep resting powder time to 10 minutes. Excess water can accelerate 'goofication' of the cactus paste and decrease yield as it is harder to extract from goo due to poor solvent penetration. Not all cactus powder is the same, so a 'feel' is needed to achieve the right paste consistency before pulling. The initial water amount is only a starting guideline, the consistency is the goal and water amount should be adjusted as needed. Higher summer temperature pulls in the summer can also accelerate the paste to goo change.


Q: Is there a lingo for this TEK

A: Yes, the clouds formed after salting are called "nubes" and the star shaped crystals growing on the jar walls as they clear "estrellas". These are the Spanish words for clouds and stars. You can practice your Spanish while doing this TEK. For example:

San Pedro vio nubes transformarse en estrellas en el cielo

Translates to

St. Peter saw clouds transform into stars in the sky

Appendix: Development Notes 🔬

Paste 🌵

No improvements were seen with longer basing time, paste oven drying, or increasing the ionic strength with CaCl2. Microwave treatment or boiling water resulted in a small yield loss.


Paste made with sodium carbonate saturated water congeals over time and requires long solvent soaks which are darker and don't crystallize to large loose crystals (small sticky crystals were obtained).


Use of lime and boiling water causes the saponification of chlorophyll over time [38]:


Chlorophyll + 2OH- ⇒ Chlorophyllin-- + Phytol + Ethanol


Chlorophyll is soluble in Ethyl Acetate, but Chlorophyllin and Phytol are not[39]. Saponification in hot water gives an extract with less plant matter and lighter color, however yields where slightly lower with this approach.

Extract 👨🏾‍🔬

Tests with longer/warmer pulls resulted in darker extract, smaller crystals, solvent paste absorption, congealing of paste, and no yield benefit.


Chemically drying the extract with anhydrous CaCl2 had no benefits, while drying with MgSO4 was problematic. However, depending on the worker and techniques used, a chemical dry with CaCl2 pellets (available commercially as de-icer) could reduce water content in the solvent and possibly make crystallization easier. Washing soda (when sold as Na2CO3 in monohydrate form, or when making the anhydrous form from baking soda with an oven) may also dry the extract and be beneficial in such cases (but that is currently an assumption based on other lab techniques).


Crystallize ✨

Alternative crystallization options:


  • Stirred: After adding the citric acid, stir until it is all dissolved. Crystals may begin to precipitate early and be smaller. If mescaline content is high crystals may even precipitate on the stirring utensil.


  • Fast crystallization option: Add up to 15 grams of citric acid powder granules into extract. Use a magnetic stirrer or aggressive shaking to quickly dissolve the citric acid and speed up crystallization. This produces a fast crystallization and minimizes crystals that are stuck to the wall. A stirring vortex will go from visible, to not visible as clouds form, to visible again as mescaline citrate precipitates. If shaking, clouds form and disappear within minutes, leaving product behind. Crystals will be very small with this approach and look like a powder instead of crystals, but the vast majority of them will still be caught by a filter in the next step. They are denser and easier to pack in capsules, but not as pretty to look at.


  • CASEA: Endlessness has reported success with this method. In his words[40]:
I added 11.1g anhydrous citric acid in 250ml ethyl acetate. It did not dissolve much at all, even after overnight stirring in a magnetic stirrer and some time in the ultrasonic bath.

So I decided to add water in small amounts until it all dissolved. It took about 5ml water for the citric acid to dissolve completely.

So I added all the 250ml CASEA, and there was immediate clouding. After 1 hr it looked like this (see Fig. 8a):


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Fig.8a: CASEA crystallization results. Credit: Endlessness.


During crystallization, excess citric acid (H3Cit) reacts with free base mescaline (Mes) to form to form the monomescaline citrate salt (MesH)H2Cit, which preliminary NMR results indicate could be a hydrate:


Mes(↑) + H3Cit(↑) + 1.5H2O ⇒ (MesH)H2Cit·1.5H2O(↓)


Monomescaline citrate salt's strength relative to mescaline HCl is 61% (assuming no hydrate formation)[41]. By not using excess citric acid, different salt forms can be precipitated[42], but that process is more complex than the simpler excess citric acid approach.


There is a lot room for excess citric acid in solution since its solubility is 50mg/g in ethyl acetate. In extracts with crystallization issues, adding more citric acid can help force precipitation: in one example with whole cactus powder 20mg/g was used [43].


Several factors can make crystals smaller: Reusing ethyl acetate, longer/warmer pulls, higher citric acid concentration, mechanical agitation, and other potential variables. Small crystals can look like a fine powder. Potency does not seem affected by the crystallization appearance, and a powdery precipitate is not a problem unless it becomes difficult to decant/filter.


After the initial crystallization, adding more citric acid and/or moving the extract to the refrigerator does not result in any more precipitation. Moving the extract to the freezer produced ice crystals.


Other dry organic acids have been tested[44],[45]. Fumaric and tartaric crystallized well as monomescaline and could be a substitute for citric. Malic also crystallized but took longer to do so, and a crude mass measurement indicated the dimescaline form. See Fig. 8b for resulting citrate, tartrate, fumarate, and malate crystals. Succinic also crystallized from a chemically dried extract (without drying crystals did not form[46]) as the monomescaline form (see Fig. 8c). Ascorbic, and benzoic did not crystalize well. Other organic acids (lactic, oxalic, etc) have not been tested yet at the time of this writing. For the organic acids that crystallized, Mescaline HCl equivalent is (assuming no hydrate formation):


  • Monomescaline Citrate: 61%
  • Monomescaline Tartrate: 69%
  • Monomescaline Fumarate or Succinate: 75%
  • Dimescaline Malate: 89%


For a comprehensive reference of mescaline salt weight conversion see orchidist's calculator[47].


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Fig.8b: CIELO results using citric, tartaric, fumaric, and malic acids. No chemichal drying of the solvent was done in all cases. Credit: Loveall.


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Fig.8c: CIELO results using succinic acid after chemichally drying the extract with K2CO3. No xtals formed from succinic in an example where chemichal drying was not done. Credit: _Trip_


10% sulfuric acid was tested and while some crystals formed, a separate liquid layer also appeared making the process not practical. HCl has not been tested as it may break down ethyl acetate.

Collect 💖

Washing crystals in a filter appears to wick away plant colors and is superior to decanting if the goal is white xtals.


The washed crystals in the filter can be dissolved in warm water after collecting them (do not "pull" filter with water as that can be a source of plant matter) along with any wall crystals. This will give then final product a uniform appearance with large needles forming during slow water evaporation.

Reuse 💚

Dark extract can be cleared up with activated carbon (also called activated charcoal). Use dustless pellets (typically rinsed with water and dried before use).


While it is easier to work with a solvent that is not dark, a quantifiable benefit of using activated charcoal to decolor the used solvent is not clear (pun intended). The environmental benefit of regenerating a colorless solvent is in question since ethyl acetate is easy to produce and activated charcoal requires resources to manufacture.

References 🗝️

  1. 1.0 1.1 Sowing Cactus Seeds[1]
  2. 2.0 2.1 Cactus growing guide (PDF)[2]
  3. Huachuma Collective Talk[3]
  4. DMT nexus website[4]
  5. Ethyl acetate safety[5]
  6. Citric Acid Safety[6]
  7. Cheelin's beginner recommendation[7]
  8. Dark storage data[8]
  9. Paper with vertical signal[9]
  10. Result for different cactus parts[10]
  11. Minimum water paste[11]
  12. Excessive water paste[12]
  13. Cheelin paste making skews[13]
  14. Drier paste example[14]
  15. 69ron's Limonene TEK[15]
  16. Second set of pulls [16]
  17. Ethyl acetate and water mutual solubility[17]
  18. Cactus analysis thread[18]
  19. High bridgesii yield[19]
  20. Mescaline Oral Dosage [20]
  21. Citric acid heat degradation[21]
  22. Direct heat vaporization test[22]
  23. Solaris analytical service[23]
  24. Marquis reagent result[24]
  25. Reagent results[25]
  26. Filter reuse[26]
  27. On reusing non polar solvent[27]
  28. Basing time tests results[28]
  29. Lime and magnesium sulfate ratio vs pH[29]
  30. Citric acid solubility[30]
  31. Anhydrous citric acid solubility test[31]
  32. Whole bridgesii precipitate on jar walls [32]
  33. Goo measurements[33]
  34. Fresh ethyl acetate to lower water content[34]
  35. Goo conversion to crystals[35]
  36. Crystallization from oil after solvent washing[36]
  37. Plant to crystal record [37]
  38. Hot water saponification with lime[38]
  39. Phytol not present in Ethyl Acetate plant extract[39]
  40. Endlessness' CASEA[40]
  41. Mescaline citrate vs HCl[41]
  42. Trimescaline citrate candidate[42]
  43. Ethyl acetate approach[43]
  44. Organic acid tests[44]
  45. Succinic test[45]
  46. Wet solvent succinic salting[46]
  47. Orchidist's mescaline salt calculator[47]