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* [[Phalaris arundinacea]] | * [[Phalaris arundinacea]] | ||
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== General phalaris info == | == General phalaris info == | ||
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Phalaris is a genus of grasses that are known in the ethnobotanical world for being a potential alternative source for psychoactive tryptamines. | Phalaris is a genus of grasses that are known in the ethnobotanical world for being a potential alternative source for psychoactive tryptamines. | ||
| − | == | + | '''[https://www.dmt-nexus.me/users/cosmicspore/Phalaris.zip Phalaris files.zip]''' |
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| + | == Alkaloid Content == | ||
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| + | The alkaloid content in the Phalaris genus varies greatly depending on species and strain, as well as conditions of growing. Not all Phalaris will be good for extracting psychoactive tryptamines, some may have very little alkaloids, some may have more of toxic alkaloids such as gramine, or of stimulant-like alkaloids such as hordenine, or they may have wanted tryptamines such as DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. Do not bioassay an extract from Phalaris without making sure you are getting the alkaloids you want. For more info check file linked below. | ||
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| + | The alkaloids found so far in Phalaris according to festi and samorini 1994: | ||
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| + | *N-methyltryptamine (MMT) | ||
| + | *5-methoxy-N-methyltryptamine (5-MeO-MMT) | ||
| + | *N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) | ||
| + | *5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT) | ||
| + | *5-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (Bufotenine, 5-HO-DMT) | ||
| + | *5-methyl-tryptamine | ||
| + | *5-methoxy-tryptamine | ||
| + | *2-methyl-l,2,3,4-tetrahydro-B-carboline (MTHC), not found in P. aquatica | ||
| + | *2-methyl-6-methoxy-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-B-carboline (MMTHC) | ||
| + | *2,9-dimethyl-6-methoxy-l ,2,3,4-tetrahydro-B-carboline (DMTHC) | ||
| + | *Gramine | ||
| + | *7-methoxy-gramine | ||
| + | *5,7-dimethoxy-gramine | ||
| + | *Hordenine | ||
== Cultivation == | == Cultivation == | ||
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| + | [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/resource.ashx?a=8255 Samorini & Festi (amazing publication with review of phalaris analysis and conditions that affect growth)] | ||
== Suppliers == | == Suppliers == | ||
* [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24897 Suppliers of known strains of phalaris grass] | * [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24897 Suppliers of known strains of phalaris grass] | ||
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* [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20835 Supplier] | * [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20835 Supplier] | ||
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1- Finding a plant that yields decently | 1- Finding a plant that yields decently | ||
2- Finding a plant with good alkaloid profile | 2- Finding a plant with good alkaloid profile | ||
| − | 3- Dealing with plant impurities/ | + | 3- Dealing with plant impurities/chlorophyll/fats |
| − | For these reasons, one will more likely have good results if one extracts from a grown plant of a known strain such as AQ1, Big | + | For these reasons, one will more likely have good results if one extracts from a grown plant of a known strain such as AQ1, Big Medicine for DMT, and Yugo Red or Turkey Red for 5-MeO-DMT, as well as using the stress/growth tricks to improve alkaloid content as described above |
| − | To get rid of gramine, there are still some analytical tests to make sure and find a definite tek for phalaris but the main indication we have at this point is the fact that gramine should not be soluble in solvents such as petroleum ether / hexane / heptane / aliphatic naphtha, and therefore | + | To get rid of gramine, there are still some analytical tests to make sure and find a definite tek for phalaris but the main indication we have at this point is the fact that gramine should not be soluble in solvents such as petroleum ether / hexane / heptane / aliphatic naphtha, and therefore pulling with those solvents and recrystallizing with them should be enough to remove gramine. Also cold/room temp limonene seems to not pull gramine. More info in analysis thread linked further below. |
For separating from fats, fumarate precipitation such as FASI on limonene or FASA on xylene could potentially be a way to bypass the need for defats. | For separating from fats, fumarate precipitation such as FASI on limonene or FASA on xylene could potentially be a way to bypass the need for defats. | ||
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* [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16810 Phalaris - Way of the future] | * [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16810 Phalaris - Way of the future] | ||
| + | * [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29986 The Phalaris Analysis Thread] | ||
* [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23534 Successful Phalaris extraction] | * [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=23534 Successful Phalaris extraction] | ||
* [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19547 Where are we at the grass tek] | * [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19547 Where are we at the grass tek] | ||
| + | * [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=34525 Phalaris/other grass types ID thread] | ||
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| + | == Scientific articles == | ||
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| + | * [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/resource.ashx?a=3957 The occurrence of 2-MTHBC in Phalaris arundinacea] | ||
Latest revision as of 17:44, 15 May 2014
Contents
Species
General phalaris info
Phalaris is a genus of grasses that are known in the ethnobotanical world for being a potential alternative source for psychoactive tryptamines.
Alkaloid Content
The alkaloid content in the Phalaris genus varies greatly depending on species and strain, as well as conditions of growing. Not all Phalaris will be good for extracting psychoactive tryptamines, some may have very little alkaloids, some may have more of toxic alkaloids such as gramine, or of stimulant-like alkaloids such as hordenine, or they may have wanted tryptamines such as DMT and 5-MeO-DMT. Do not bioassay an extract from Phalaris without making sure you are getting the alkaloids you want. For more info check file linked below.
The alkaloids found so far in Phalaris according to festi and samorini 1994:
- N-methyltryptamine (MMT)
- 5-methoxy-N-methyltryptamine (5-MeO-MMT)
- N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT)
- 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT)
- 5-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (Bufotenine, 5-HO-DMT)
- 5-methyl-tryptamine
- 5-methoxy-tryptamine
- 2-methyl-l,2,3,4-tetrahydro-B-carboline (MTHC), not found in P. aquatica
- 2-methyl-6-methoxy-1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-B-carboline (MMTHC)
- 2,9-dimethyl-6-methoxy-l ,2,3,4-tetrahydro-B-carboline (DMTHC)
- Gramine
- 7-methoxy-gramine
- 5,7-dimethoxy-gramine
- Hordenine
Cultivation
Suppliers
Extraction teks
Different extraction teks used for other DMT containing plant can work theoretically for Phalaris too, but there are 3 main issues with extracting from phalaris:
1- Finding a plant that yields decently 2- Finding a plant with good alkaloid profile 3- Dealing with plant impurities/chlorophyll/fats
For these reasons, one will more likely have good results if one extracts from a grown plant of a known strain such as AQ1, Big Medicine for DMT, and Yugo Red or Turkey Red for 5-MeO-DMT, as well as using the stress/growth tricks to improve alkaloid content as described above
To get rid of gramine, there are still some analytical tests to make sure and find a definite tek for phalaris but the main indication we have at this point is the fact that gramine should not be soluble in solvents such as petroleum ether / hexane / heptane / aliphatic naphtha, and therefore pulling with those solvents and recrystallizing with them should be enough to remove gramine. Also cold/room temp limonene seems to not pull gramine. More info in analysis thread linked further below.
For separating from fats, fumarate precipitation such as FASI on limonene or FASA on xylene could potentially be a way to bypass the need for defats.
Relevant links
- Phalaris - Way of the future
- The Phalaris Analysis Thread
- Successful Phalaris extraction
- Where are we at the grass tek
- Phalaris/other grass types ID thread
