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Endlessness: /* Step 6-Fumarates conversion */

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‎Step 6-Fumarates conversion

Endlessness: /* Step 5A */

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‎Step 5A

N6 at 23:27, 21 September 2012

2012-09-21T23:27:22Z

N6: See the discussion page

2012-09-21T23:25:03Z

See the discussion page

Endlessness: /* Step 5A */

2012-07-06T09:53:26Z

‎Step 5A

Endlessness: /* Step One */

2012-07-06T09:49:58Z

‎Step One

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2012-07-06T09:49:09Z

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2012-05-19T21:57:18Z

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Endlessness: /* Step 6-Fumarates conversion */

2012-02-14T12:18:15Z

‎Step 6-Fumarates conversion

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 '''Alternative way''': dissolve 7g sodium carbonate per 100ml water. That'll guarantee that the end product will have minimal sodium carbonate contamination. Distilled water is preferable.
-Put your dmt fumarate in another glass container. Heat some water to near-boil, and add a small quantity of the hot water to the glass with the dmt fumarate, until it dissolves completely. Then add a small amount of the sodium carbonate saturated solution to the container with your dissolved dmt fumarate, and you'll see an immediate clouding (which is dmt freebase precipitating). Add just a couple ml at a time, slowly. Let it rest for some minutes, and add a bit more. Keep adding the sodium carbonate solution slowly (taking some pauses of a few minutes) until no more clouding or color changes occur, and add a bit more just for good measure.  Doing it faster seems to result in a more impure product.
+Put your dmt fumarate in another glass container. Add water slowly and mix well till it dissolves completely. Then add a small amount of the sodium carbonate saturated solution to the container with your dissolved dmt fumarate, and you'll see an immediate clouding (which is dmt freebase precipitating).  Ideally you`ll add it as slow as possible, dropwise. Let it rest for some minutes, and add a bit more. Keep adding the sodium carbonate solution slowly (taking some pauses of a few minutes) until no more clouding or color changes occur, and add a bit more just for good measure.  Doing it faster seems to result in a more impure product.
-'''Note''': if there's a white powder settling on the bottom of the glass, it's sodium carbonate and it'll end up in your final product if you let it stay there (just mix it in with a spoon).
+Put your container on the fridge for 5 days for your dmt crystals to precipitate completely. The exact time depends on the amount of DMT in the solution and the concentration but you'll know when it's done because the water will be clear. After its done, you can pour off the water through a coffee filter (just in case so that any floating crystals will be retrieved). Scrape up the dmt stuck to the container, and put it on a filter or a plate to finish drying.  Now you have perfect DMT freebase achieved with non-toxic solvents :)
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-Put your container on the fridge for 3-5 days for your dmt crystals to precipitate completely. The exact time depends on the amount of DMT in the solution and the concentration but you'll know when it's done because the water will be clear. After its done, you can pour off the water through a coffee filter (just in case so that any floating crystals will be retrieved). Scrape up the dmt stuck to the container, and put it on a filter or a plate to finish drying.  Now you have perfect DMT freebase achieved with non-toxic solvents :)
 A small number of users report two potential problems: The first, that nothing precipitates even after a few days. This might have to do with the fumarate being very impure, or with too much water being used. If after 5 days the DMT hasnt crystallized, pull with a solvent like limonene and salt again.   The second issue some people had is that excess sodium carbonate precipitates together, as large crystals. This happens mostly because people are using a warm sodium carb solution instead of letting it cool before using so there is too much sodium carb excess.. If that happens filter all the crystals/solids, break them up, and pull with acetone or IPA, which will pull the dmt but not the sodium carbonate.  In any case if steps are done as described above, these problems should not happen.

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 ==== Step 5A ====
-If the crystals are stuck to the jar, pour off the d-limonene from your now hopefully beautiful crystals, and then turn the jar upside down and put it on a paper towel to absorb any extra D-Limonene that falls out. Allow this to sit out until it dries a bit more. You can use a bit of heat and a fan to speed this process up. Now scrape up your JIMJAM fumarate. If the crystals are not stuck to the jar, pour off the limo through a coffee filter, and let your crystals dry. If there are no crystals but mostly a goo on the bottom, pour off as much limo away from it as possible, then add a bit of warm water to pick the goo up and let it evaporate on a dish on a hot plate or on your oven on low setting with the door open.  In any of the cases, your JIMJAM fumarate will smell mildly of oranges. To get rid of orangy smell and extra d-limonene, you can put the dmt fumarate in around 20ml of water and then evaporate on a hotplate, which will help evaporate some of it, but possibly not all. Alternatively, you can also wash your JIMJAM fumarate with a cold IPA or cold acetone or FASI wash, or use any of the methods in [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28417 this] thread to clean it up. This isn't strictly necessary as limonene is not toxic but will clean it up if desired.
+If the crystals are all stuck to the jar, pour off the d-limonene into another jar, leaving the crystals behind on the jar, and then turn the jar upside down on top of a plate so that the rest little bit of limonene drops off. Allow this to sit out until it dries a bit more. You can use a bit of heat and a fan to speed this process up. Now scrape up your JIMJAM fumarate. If the crystals are not stuck to the jar, pour off the limo through a coffee filter, and let your crystals dry. If there are no crystals but mostly a goo on the bottom, pour off as much limo away from it as possible, then add a bit of warm water to pick the goo up and let it evaporate on a dish on a hot plate or on your oven on low setting with the door open.  In any of the cases, your JIMJAM fumarate will smell mildly of oranges. To get rid of orangy smell and extra d-limonene, you can put the dmt fumarate in around 20ml of water and then evaporate on a hotplate, which will help evaporate some of it, but possibly not all. Alternatively, you can also wash your JIMJAM fumarate with a cold IPA or cold acetone or FASI wash, or use any of the methods in [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28417 this] thread to clean it up. This isn't strictly necessary as limonene is not toxic but will clean it up if desired.
 Then, Just let your product dry and you have a great product that can be consumed orally together with a MAOI. Dosages vary a lot from person to person, for some people 30mg of jimjam fumarate together with enough MAOI will be very strong, for others they may need 200mg for decent effects. Start on the low end specially the first tries. For achieving a smokable product, proceed to step six.

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 Take your small jar and fill with water. Add a teaspoon of fumaric acid and keep mixing strongly for a minute or two. If all the fumaric acid dissolved, add more and mix again. If there is an amount of undissolved excess fumaric acid on the bottom, you're done. This is your FASW (fumaric acid saturated water). Decant the FASW away from the excess fumaric acid, into a new container (the fumaric acid excess can be dried and used in a future extraction if you want).
-'''Alternative way''': dissolve 0.63g fumaric acid per 100ml hot water (dno need to cool it down before use). You need at least 300ml for the tek. Distilled water is preferable.
+'''Alternative way''': dissolve 0.63g fumaric acid per 100ml hot water (no need to cool it down before use). You need at least 300ml for the tek. Distilled water is preferable.
 Mix your limonene pull with some FASW. It can be in a proportion of 5:1, so if you have 100ml limo it can be around 20ml FASW (no need to be exact). Mix well, let the layers separate, and pull your FASW out (in case of emulsions, a hot water bath is very effective). No problem if there is still a bit of FASW you cant accurately pull off, just leave it there for the next pulls. Do this 3x and put your FASW pulls together. The limonene can be reused for more pulls on the mimosa if desired, or saved for use in future extraction. Proceed to step 5B

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 * Pipette or Turkey Baster
-* Gallon Milk Jug(HDPE #2 plastic) or big glass container
+* 1 US Gallon (3.8L) Milk Jug(HDPE #2 plastic) or big glass container (e.g. a 4.5L demijohn)
 * Two 800ml(as close as you can) glass jars
 * One 100ml(also as close as you can get) glass jar
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 === Step One ===
-Take your gallon jug and pour 1 liter of vinegar into it. Then add your pound of bark. Shake this hard to get it all mixed up. Then put it somewhere and let it sit for 3 days. There is yet no evidence that letting it soak for long in vinegar before adding lye will improve yields, nobody did a side-by-side test to know for sure. It certainly wont hurt, though, so if one is not in a hurry, it's recommended.
+Take your gallon jug and pour 1 liter of vinegar into it (no harm in using more if needed). Then add your pound of bark. Shake this hard to get it all mixed up. Then put it somewhere and let it sit for 3 days. There is yet no evidence that letting it soak for long in vinegar before adding lye will improve yields, nobody did a side-by-side test to know for sure. It certainly wont hurt, though, so if one is not in a hurry, it's recommended.
 * Alternatively, you can do a normal A/B acid boiling with 4x1hr boils and filtering the plant material (check other A/B teks in the wiki for more info). Some people prefer the above simple vinegar soak as above without filtering plant material, others think its cleaner to work with filtered acidic solution from step two onwards. .
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 ==== Step 4B ====
-Take your small jar and fill with water. Add a teaspoon of fumaric acid and keep mixing strongly for a minute or two. If all the fumaric acid dissolved, add more and mix again. If there is an amount of undissolved excess fumaric acid on the bottom, you're done. This is your FASW (fumaric acid saturated water). Decant the FASW away from the excess fumaric acid, into a new container (the fumaric acid excess can be dried and used in a future extraction if you want). Mix your limonene pull with some FASW. It can be in a proportion of 5:1, so if you have 100ml limo it can be around 20ml FASW (no need to be exact). Mix well, let the layers separate, and pull your FASW out. No problem if there is still a bit of FASW you cant accurately pull off, just leave it there for the next pulls. Do this 3x and put your FASW pulls together. The limonene can be reused for more pulls on the mimosa if desired, or saved for use in future extraction. Proceed to step 5B
+Take your small jar and fill with water. Add a teaspoon of fumaric acid and keep mixing strongly for a minute or two. If all the fumaric acid dissolved, add more and mix again. If there is an amount of undissolved excess fumaric acid on the bottom, you're done. This is your FASW (fumaric acid saturated water). Decant the FASW away from the excess fumaric acid, into a new container (the fumaric acid excess can be dried and used in a future extraction if you want).
 ==== Step 4C ====
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 Just put your FASW pulls on a glass dish on a hotplate to evaporate. If you dont have a hotplate you can put it on the oven with the door open and a fan turned towards it to speed up the process. Anything under 100 degrees celcius (212 farenheit) is a safe temperature to evap/dry it. When its done evapping, scrape up your product, and you have your DMT fumarate with possibly some unreacted fumaric acid. Since fumaric acid is not toxic and is food-safe, its no problem to have it, but it might make the dosage a bit off, needing more of the product for same effects. To remove unreacted fumaric acid, one can do a cold IPA wash which should dissolve none of the DMT fumarate but some of the fumaric acid. Alternatively one can do a simple water clean up, as described in: [[FASA_Alteration_of Final Purification]].  Your dmt fumarate is ready to be consumed orally together with a MAOI. If you want a smokable product, proceed to step six.
 ==== Step 5C ====
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 To achieve a smokable product, you must convert your fumarate to freebase.  To do this, make a small amount of saturated sodium carbonate solution by adding plenty of sodium carbonate to water until no more will dissolve (100ml water is more than enough, you'll probably need just a fraction of it). Decant your water away from any undissolved sodium carbonate.  If you do this with warm water make sure to let the water cool and filter it, before using the sodium carb saturated solution to convert the fumarates as written below, so to prevent excess sodium carbonate from being in your final product.
 Put your dmt fumarate in another glass container. Heat some water to near-boil, and add a small quantity of the hot water to the glass with the dmt fumarate, until it dissolves completely. Then add a small amount of the sodium carbonate saturated solution to the container with your dissolved dmt fumarate, and you'll see an immediate clouding (which is dmt freebase precipitating). Add just a couple ml at a time, slowly. Let it rest for some minutes, and add a bit more. Keep adding the sodium carbonate solution slowly (taking some pauses of a few minutes) until no more clouding or color changes occur, and add a bit more just for good measure.  Doing it faster seems to result in a more impure product.
-Put your container on the fridge for 3-5 days for your dmt crystals to precipitate completely. After its done, you can pour off the water through a coffee filter (just in case so that any floating crystals will be retrieved). Scrape up the dmt stuck to the container, and put it on a filter or a plate to finish drying.  Now you have perfect DMT freebase achieved with non-toxic solvents :)
+Put your container on the fridge for 3-5 days for your dmt crystals to precipitate completely. The exact time depends on the amount of DMT in the solution and the concentration but you'll know when it's done because the water will be clear. After its done, you can pour off the water through a coffee filter (just in case so that any floating crystals will be retrieved). Scrape up the dmt stuck to the container, and put it on a filter or a plate to finish drying.  Now you have perfect DMT freebase achieved with non-toxic solvents :)
 A small number of users report two potential problems: The first, that nothing precipitates even after a few days. This might have to do with the fumarate being very impure, or with too much water being used. If after 5 days the DMT hasnt crystallized, pull with a solvent like limonene and salt again.   The second issue some people had is that excess sodium carbonate precipitates together, as large crystals. This happens mostly because people are using a warm sodium carb solution instead of letting it cool before using so there is too much sodium carb excess.. If that happens filter all the crystals/solids, break them up, and pull with acetone or IPA, which will pull the dmt but not the sodium carbonate.  In any case if steps are done as described above, these problems should not happen.

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 ==== Step 5A ====
-If the crystals are stuck to the jar, pour off the d-limonene from your now hopefully beautiful crystals, and then turn the jar upside down and put it on a paper towel to absorb any extra D-Limonene that falls out. Allow this to sit out until it dries a bit more. You can use a bit of heat and a fan to speed this process up. Now scrape up your JIMJAM fumarate. If the crystals are not stuck to the jar, pour off the limo through a coffee filter, and let your crystals dry. If there are no crystals but mostly a goo on the bottom, pour off as much limo away from it as possible, then add a bit of warm water to pick the goo up and let it evaporate on a dish on a hot plate or on your oven on low setting with the door open.  In any of the cases, your JIMJAM fumarate will smell mildly of oranges. To get rid of orangy smell and extra d-limonene, you can put the dmt fumarate in around 20ml of water and then evaporate on a hotplate. Alternatively, you can also wash your JIMJAM fumarate with a cold IPA or cold acetone or FASI wash. This isn't necessary as limonene is not toxic but will clean it up a bit. Then, Just let your product dry and you have a great product that can be consumed orally together with a MAOI. Dosages vary a lot from person to person, for some people 30mg of jimjam fumarate together with enough MAOI will be very strong, for others they may need 200mg for decent effects. Start on the low end specially the first tries. For achieving a smokable product, proceed to step six.
+If the crystals are stuck to the jar, pour off the d-limonene from your now hopefully beautiful crystals, and then turn the jar upside down and put it on a paper towel to absorb any extra D-Limonene that falls out. Allow this to sit out until it dries a bit more. You can use a bit of heat and a fan to speed this process up. Now scrape up your JIMJAM fumarate. If the crystals are not stuck to the jar, pour off the limo through a coffee filter, and let your crystals dry. If there are no crystals but mostly a goo on the bottom, pour off as much limo away from it as possible, then add a bit of warm water to pick the goo up and let it evaporate on a dish on a hot plate or on your oven on low setting with the door open.  In any of the cases, your JIMJAM fumarate will smell mildly of oranges. To get rid of orangy smell and extra d-limonene, you can put the dmt fumarate in around 20ml of water and then evaporate on a hotplate, which will help evaporate some of it, but possibly not all. Alternatively, you can also wash your JIMJAM fumarate with a cold IPA or cold acetone or FASI wash, or use any of the methods in [https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28417 this] thread to clean it up. This isn't strictly necessary as limonene is not toxic but will clean it up if desired.
 Note: If you want to reuse the limonene, you must wash it with pure water (basically do 3x water pulls in the limo, as the water will pick up any fumaric acid remains and specially the IPA that is now mixed with it, which would otherwise screw up your extraction if you poured the limo+ipa straight back into the mimosa mix)

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 Take your gallon jug and pour 1 liter of vinegar into it. Then add your pound of bark. Shake this hard to get it all mixed up. Then put it somewhere and let it sit for 3 days.
-* Alternatively, you can do a normal A/B acid boiling with 4x1hr boils and filtering the plant material (check other A/B teks in the wiki for more info). Some people prefer the above simple vinegar soak as above without filtering plant material, others think its cleaner to work with filtered acidic solution from step two onwards.
+* Alternatively, you can do a normal A/B acid boiling with 4x1hr boils and filtering the plant material (check other A/B teks in the wiki for more info). Some people prefer the above simple vinegar soak as above without filtering plant material, others think its cleaner to work with filtered acidic solution from step two onwards. There is yet no evidence that letting it soak for long in vinegar before adding lye will improve yields, nobody did a side-by-side test to know for sure, so at this moment it's up to the person extracting to decide if its worth it.
 === Step Two ===

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	A small number of users report two potential problems: The first, that nothing precipitates even after a few days. This might have to do with the fumarate being very impure, or with too much water being used. If after 5 days the DMT hasnt crystallized, pull with a solvent like limonene and salt again. The second issue some people had is that excess sodium carbonate precipitates together, as large crystals. This happens mostly because people are using a warm sodium carb solution instead of letting it cool before using so there is too much sodium carb excess.. If that happens filter all the crystals/solids, break them up, and pull with acetone or IPA, which will pull the dmt but not the sodium carbonate. In any case if steps are done as described above, these problems should not happen.		A small number of users report two potential problems: The first, that nothing precipitates even after a few days. This might have to do with the fumarate being very impure, or with too much water being used. If after 5 days the DMT hasnt crystallized, pull with a solvent like limonene and salt again. The second issue some people had is that excess sodium carbonate precipitates together, as large crystals. This happens mostly because people are using a warm sodium carb solution instead of letting it cool before using so there is too much sodium carb excess.. If that happens filter all the crystals/solids, break them up, and pull with acetone or IPA, which will pull the dmt but not the sodium carbonate. In any case if steps are done as described above, these problems should not happen.
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		+	Yet another option of converting fumarates to freebase is the [http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Fumarates_to_Freebase_Conversion_TEK#Type_3_-_Sodium_Carbonate_Paste_and_Pull_method type 3 method described here]. It results in the same yield but a bit more impure-looking product (but its just looks, its equally active), and is less prone to errors.

	<table><tr><td>[[File:dissolvedfumarate.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|On the left side is the dissolved fumarate. The right side is a sodium carbonate saturated solution. Only a small amount of this sodium carb solution is actually necessary]]</td><td>[[File:dmtwaterprecipitation.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|As soon as the sodium carbonate solution is added to the dissolved dmt fumarate, there is a precipitation. Stick it in the fridge for at least 3 days]]</td></tr></table>		<table><tr><td>[[File:dissolvedfumarate.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|On the left side is the dissolved fumarate. The right side is a sodium carbonate saturated solution. Only a small amount of this sodium carb solution is actually necessary]]</td><td>[[File:dmtwaterprecipitation.jpg\|200px\|thumb\|left\|As soon as the sodium carbonate solution is added to the dissolved dmt fumarate, there is a precipitation. Stick it in the fridge for at least 3 days]]</td></tr></table>